https://kenconklin.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions&feed=atom&action=historyFrequently Asked Questions - Revision history2024-03-29T05:16:28ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.1https://kenconklin.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions&diff=1313&oldid=prevWikiSysop: /* SHOULD DEVELOPMENT OF MORE ASTRONOMICAL OBSERVATORIES ON MAUNA KEA BE PROHIBITED, BECAUSE MAUNA KEA IS SACRED GROUND? */2005-11-01T17:36:04Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">SHOULD DEVELOPMENT OF MORE ASTRONOMICAL OBSERVATORIES ON MAUNA KEA BE PROHIBITED, BECAUSE MAUNA KEA IS SACRED GROUND?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: IN ONE WORD: 'A'OLE!! (NO!!) During the Kingdom, the government lands were held on behalf of ALL the people for public purposes. Government lands are still used that way today. For ALL the people. During the Kingdom, the crown lands were held by the government to provide income to support the head of state. Crown lands did not belong to a monarch personally -- they were passed from one monarch to the next (not to personal heirs of the monarch), even when monarchs from different families were elected. After the King had run up huge mortgages on the crown lands to pay gambling debts and support a dissolute lifestyle, the Kingdom legislature in 1865 took control of the crown lands, issued government bonds to pay off those mortgages, and passed a law (signed by a grateful King) declaring that the King could no longer mortgage them. When the monarchy was overthrown and the office of monarch ceased to exist, the crown lands became the same as government lands. Ex-queen Lili'uokalani sued the United States in 1910, claiming that the U.S. owed her money for taking "her" crown lands. (By the way, she claimed the crown lands were hers personally, not the property of the kanaka maoli race). But she lost, because it was proved that even when she was Queen she did not own the crown lands. The Provisional Government, followed by the Republic, accepted as its own obligations the huge debts of the monarchy. When the annexation occurred, the U.S. agreed to pay the debts of the Republic, most of which were from the monarchy. Paying someone else's debts is a form of compensation. The U.S. also agreed not to simply take the government and crown lands as its own, but to hold them in trust for ALL the residents of Hawai'i. Finally, when those "ceded" lands were returned to the new State of Hawai'i at statehood in 1959 (minus national parks and military bases, which also benefit the people of Hawai'i), they were returned on condition that the income must be used for ANY ONE OR MORE OF 5 PURPOSES. One of those purposes is education; and for the first 20 years of statehood, all the ceded land revenues went to support the public schools (which means that about 25% of the ceded land revenues went to kanaka maoli, since they are about 1/4 of the school population). Finally, when OHA, racially restricted to kanaka maoli, was created in 1979 (big mistake!), it was funded by giving it 20% of ceded land GROSS revenues -- a huge error, because it costs big money to operate airports, universities, parks, roadways, etc. OHA's 20% of gross ceded land revenues is more than 100% of net revenues after operating expenses. It's easy to see the problem here. OHA claims to be entitled to hundreds of millions of dollars -- 20% of ceded land revenues -- because "betterment of native Hawaiians" was one of five purposes for use of ceded land revenues. Well, what about the other four purposes? The Superintendent of Schools should be lined up right next to the head of OHA, demanding the same number of dollars as OHA, because education was also one of those five purposes. Likewise for the other stated purposes. There isn't that much money in the State budget. And the reason is that most government activities operate at a loss (that's why people have to pay taxes, to make up that loss). Also, kanaka maoli get all the same benefits everyone else gets from State expenditures on public facilities, PLUS the 20% for OHA. The University, for example, operates at a huge loss. The tuition paid by students is only a small part of what it costs to operate the University. The rest is made up by the taxpayers. So when kanaka maoli students say they are owed "rent" for being kind enough to allow the university to sit on ceded lands, we should all feel free to laugh. They think that every time somebody pays tuition, or buys saimin on campus, or pays for a parking space, the race of kanaka maoli should get 20% of all that money (revenue from using the ceded lands) -- as though the professors don't have to be paid, the noodles didn't cost anything to make, and the parking spaces simply materialized from nowhere. Who do they think paid for the buildings? Who paid for the Center for Hawaiian Studies, and all those scholarships and tuition waivers? Where did the library books come from? The ceded lands belong to ALL the people of Hawai'i. The ceded land revenues belong to ALL the people of Hawai'i. The institutions used by kanaka maoli and everyone else cost money to operate, and are heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. Instead of getting 20% of ceded land revenues, OHA should be forced to pay for the difference between what the kanaka maoli students pay to attend school and what it actually costs the State for them to attend. So don't be fooled by revisionist history, half-truths, and Clintonesque twisting of facts. Kanaka maoli entitled to free tuition because the University sits on ceded lands? 'A'OLE!!</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: IN ONE WORD: 'A'OLE!! (NO!!) During the Kingdom, the government lands were held on behalf of ALL the people for public purposes. Government lands are still used that way today. For ALL the people. During the Kingdom, the crown lands were held by the government to provide income to support the head of state. Crown lands did not belong to a monarch personally -- they were passed from one monarch to the next (not to personal heirs of the monarch), even when monarchs from different families were elected. After the King had run up huge mortgages on the crown lands to pay gambling debts and support a dissolute lifestyle, the Kingdom legislature in 1865 took control of the crown lands, issued government bonds to pay off those mortgages, and passed a law (signed by a grateful King) declaring that the King could no longer mortgage them. When the monarchy was overthrown and the office of monarch ceased to exist, the crown lands became the same as government lands. Ex-queen Lili'uokalani sued the United States in 1910, claiming that the U.S. owed her money for taking "her" crown lands. (By the way, she claimed the crown lands were hers personally, not the property of the kanaka maoli race). But she lost, because it was proved that even when she was Queen she did not own the crown lands. The Provisional Government, followed by the Republic, accepted as its own obligations the huge debts of the monarchy. When the annexation occurred, the U.S. agreed to pay the debts of the Republic, most of which were from the monarchy. Paying someone else's debts is a form of compensation. The U.S. also agreed not to simply take the government and crown lands as its own, but to hold them in trust for ALL the residents of Hawai'i. Finally, when those "ceded" lands were returned to the new State of Hawai'i at statehood in 1959 (minus national parks and military bases, which also benefit the people of Hawai'i), they were returned on condition that the income must be used for ANY ONE OR MORE OF 5 PURPOSES. One of those purposes is education; and for the first 20 years of statehood, all the ceded land revenues went to support the public schools (which means that about 25% of the ceded land revenues went to kanaka maoli, since they are about 1/4 of the school population). Finally, when OHA, racially restricted to kanaka maoli, was created in 1979 (big mistake!), it was funded by giving it 20% of ceded land GROSS revenues -- a huge error, because it costs big money to operate airports, universities, parks, roadways, etc. OHA's 20% of gross ceded land revenues is more than 100% of net revenues after operating expenses. It's easy to see the problem here. OHA claims to be entitled to hundreds of millions of dollars -- 20% of ceded land revenues -- because "betterment of native Hawaiians" was one of five purposes for use of ceded land revenues. Well, what about the other four purposes? The Superintendent of Schools should be lined up right next to the head of OHA, demanding the same number of dollars as OHA, because education was also one of those five purposes. Likewise for the other stated purposes. There isn't that much money in the State budget. And the reason is that most government activities operate at a loss (that's why people have to pay taxes, to make up that loss). Also, kanaka maoli get all the same benefits everyone else gets from State expenditures on public facilities, PLUS the 20% for OHA. The University, for example, operates at a huge loss. The tuition paid by students is only a small part of what it costs to operate the University. The rest is made up by the taxpayers. So when kanaka maoli students say they are owed "rent" for being kind enough to allow the university to sit on ceded lands, we should all feel free to laugh. They think that every time somebody pays tuition, or buys saimin on campus, or pays for a parking space, the race of kanaka maoli should get 20% of all that money (revenue from using the ceded lands) -- as though the professors don't have to be paid, the noodles didn't cost anything to make, and the parking spaces simply materialized from nowhere. Who do they think paid for the buildings? Who paid for the Center for Hawaiian Studies, and all those scholarships and tuition waivers? Where did the library books come from? The ceded lands belong to ALL the people of Hawai'i. The ceded land revenues belong to ALL the people of Hawai'i. The institutions used by kanaka maoli and everyone else cost money to operate, and are heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. Instead of getting 20% of ceded land revenues, OHA should be forced to pay for the difference between what the kanaka maoli students pay to attend school and what it actually costs the State for them to attend. So don't be fooled by revisionist history, half-truths, and Clintonesque twisting of facts. Kanaka maoli entitled to free tuition because the University sits on ceded lands? 'A'OLE!!</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Of course all land in Hawai'i is sacred. But Mauna Kea is especially sacred because it is the tallest peak in the Pacific, closest to the heavens, and sacred to sky-father Wakea from whom all kanaka maoli are descended. The mountain's name superficially means "white mountain" in honor of its often snow-capped peak. But it is also called Mauna-a-Wakea; i.e., Wakea's mountain. That is exactly why the world-class telescope campus should be expanded to create the most sophisticated observatories in the world. Sky-father Wakea's daughter, with whom Wakea mated to produce the first human being Haloa, is Ho'ohokuikalani -- she who placed the stars in the heavens. It is an act of respect and worship to appreciate and study the stars. Kanaka maoli studied the stars as a technology for navigation, as we all know from the outstanding work of master navigator Nainoa Thompson with the voyaging canoe Hokule’a. Besides using the stars for technology, kanaka maoli in ancient times also studied the stars as an act of respect and worship of the gods. An ancient adz quarry near the observatory campus proves that kanaka maoli had no hesitation about using the summit of Mauna Kea for technological purposes, and digging into the ground to get materials. Ancient shrines there should be preserved. And the telescope campus should be expanded, as our modern shrine to the glory of Wakea and Ho'ohokuikalani. Unfortunately, most of the people protesting development of Mauna Kea for astronomical observatories are sovereignty activists. They are using this issue for political purposes as part of a larger agenda to get money and power, and their motives are far from spiritual.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Of course all land in Hawai'i is sacred. But Mauna Kea is especially sacred because it is the tallest peak in the Pacific, closest to the heavens, and sacred to sky-father Wakea from whom all kanaka maoli are descended. The mountain's name superficially means "white mountain" in honor of its often snow-capped peak. But it is also called Mauna-a-Wakea; i.e., Wakea's mountain. That is exactly why the world-class telescope campus should be expanded to create the most sophisticated observatories in the world. Sky-father Wakea's daughter, with whom Wakea mated to produce the first human being Haloa, is Ho'ohokuikalani -- she who placed the stars in the heavens. It is an act of respect and worship to appreciate and study the stars. Kanaka maoli studied the stars as a technology for navigation, as we all know from the outstanding work of master navigator Nainoa Thompson with the voyaging canoe Hokule’a. Besides using the stars for technology, kanaka maoli in ancient times also studied the stars as an act of respect and worship of the gods. An ancient adz quarry near the observatory campus proves that kanaka maoli had no hesitation about using the summit of Mauna Kea for technological purposes, and digging into the ground to get materials. Ancient shrines there should be preserved. And the telescope campus should be expanded, as our modern shrine to the glory of Wakea and Ho'ohokuikalani. Unfortunately, most of the people protesting development of Mauna Kea for astronomical observatories are sovereignty activists. They are using this issue for political purposes as part of a larger agenda to get money and power, and their motives are far from spiritual.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Afterword ==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Afterword ==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The issues in the sovereignty debate are very complex, and require lengthy explanations. These were quick and simple (overly simple) answers to some of the most frequently asked questions. People with the patience for lengthy explanations are invited to read the other sections of this website by clicking on the colored links that appear as questions below.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The issues in the sovereignty debate are very complex, and require lengthy explanations. These were quick and simple (overly simple) answers to some of the most frequently asked questions. People with the patience for lengthy explanations are invited to read the other sections of this website by clicking on the colored links that appear as questions below.</div></td></tr>
</table>WikiSysophttps://kenconklin.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions&diff=1312&oldid=prevWikiSysop: /* SHOULD RACIALLY-DEFINED KANAKA MAOLI GET FREE TUITION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI'I BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE UNIVERSITY SITS ON CEDED LANDS? */2005-11-01T17:34:09Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">SHOULD RACIALLY-DEFINED KANAKA MAOLI GET FREE TUITION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI'I BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE UNIVERSITY SITS ON CEDED LANDS?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Most Hawaiian sovereignty activists have a general political orientation that is quite far to the left. Many acknowledge they are socialists, and some are explicitly Marxist. This leftist orientation can be explained partly because they are struggling against an entrenched political system and dominant culture they see as repressive, and partly because they see traditional Hawaiian culture as a form of agrarian communism. Land was held in common, redistributed at will by chiefs, and labor was organized by and owed to the chiefs. Individual rights were vastly subordinate to group needs. "From each according to ability, to each according to need" was the operative economic policy. It took many people working together to build taro patches, water channels, and fishponds. Warfare was constant except during the rainy season. Some observers fear that if the sovereignty movement is successful, it will establish a form of national socialism with officially-sanctioned racial supremacy for kanaka maoli; and to some this sounds like fascism or Nazism. However, the sovereignty movement seems non-violent. There is no apparent thought of expanding kanaka maoli control beyond the Hawaiian archipelago (including Palmyra, Midway, Kure, and various atolls), although there is a strong Polynesian racial pride and identification with all the islands in the Polynesian triangle, bounded by Aotearoa (New Zealand), Ka Pae 'Aina (Hawai'i), and Rapa Nui (Easter Island). Modern-day political conservatives are generally opposed to Hawaiian sovereignty, and view kanaka maoli as a racial minority seeking affirmative action or race-based entitlement programs. For a Hawai'i conservative viewpoint, see the following website created in February 2000: [http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.hawaiiconservative.com http://hawaiiconservative.com on www.archive.org]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Most Hawaiian sovereignty activists have a general political orientation that is quite far to the left. Many acknowledge they are socialists, and some are explicitly Marxist. This leftist orientation can be explained partly because they are struggling against an entrenched political system and dominant culture they see as repressive, and partly because they see traditional Hawaiian culture as a form of agrarian communism. Land was held in common, redistributed at will by chiefs, and labor was organized by and owed to the chiefs. Individual rights were vastly subordinate to group needs. "From each according to ability, to each according to need" was the operative economic policy. It took many people working together to build taro patches, water channels, and fishponds. Warfare was constant except during the rainy season. Some observers fear that if the sovereignty movement is successful, it will establish a form of national socialism with officially-sanctioned racial supremacy for kanaka maoli; and to some this sounds like fascism or Nazism. However, the sovereignty movement seems non-violent. There is no apparent thought of expanding kanaka maoli control beyond the Hawaiian archipelago (including Palmyra, Midway, Kure, and various atolls), although there is a strong Polynesian racial pride and identification with all the islands in the Polynesian triangle, bounded by Aotearoa (New Zealand), Ka Pae 'Aina (Hawai'i), and Rapa Nui (Easter Island). Modern-day political conservatives are generally opposed to Hawaiian sovereignty, and view kanaka maoli as a racial minority seeking affirmative action or race-based entitlement programs. For a Hawai'i conservative viewpoint, see the following website created in February 2000: [http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.hawaiiconservative.com http://hawaiiconservative.com on www.archive.org]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">SHOULD RACIALLY</del>-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">DEFINED KANAKA MAOLI GET FREE TUITION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI</del>'<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE UNIVERSITY SITS ON CEDED LANDS</del>?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Should racially</ins>-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">defined kanaka maoli get free tuition at the University of Hawai</ins>'<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">i because of the fact that the university sits on ceded lands</ins>?==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: IN ONE WORD: 'A'OLE!! (NO!!) During the Kingdom, the government lands were held on behalf of ALL the people for public purposes. Government lands are still used that way today. For ALL the people. During the Kingdom, the crown lands were held by the government to provide income to support the head of state. Crown lands did not belong to a monarch personally -- they were passed from one monarch to the next (not to personal heirs of the monarch), even when monarchs from different families were elected. After the King had run up huge mortgages on the crown lands to pay gambling debts and support a dissolute lifestyle, the Kingdom legislature in 1865 took control of the crown lands, issued government bonds to pay off those mortgages, and passed a law (signed by a grateful King) declaring that the King could no longer mortgage them. When the monarchy was overthrown and the office of monarch ceased to exist, the crown lands became the same as government lands. Ex-queen Lili'uokalani sued the United States in 1910, claiming that the U.S. owed her money for taking "her" crown lands. (By the way, she claimed the crown lands were hers personally, not the property of the kanaka maoli race). But she lost, because it was proved that even when she was Queen she did not own the crown lands. The Provisional Government, followed by the Republic, accepted as its own obligations the huge debts of the monarchy. When the annexation occurred, the U.S. agreed to pay the debts of the Republic, most of which were from the monarchy. Paying someone else's debts is a form of compensation. The U.S. also agreed not to simply take the government and crown lands as its own, but to hold them in trust for ALL the residents of Hawai'i. Finally, when those "ceded" lands were returned to the new State of Hawai'i at statehood in 1959 (minus national parks and military bases, which also benefit the people of Hawai'i), they were returned on condition that the income must be used for ANY ONE OR MORE OF 5 PURPOSES. One of those purposes is education; and for the first 20 years of statehood, all the ceded land revenues went to support the public schools (which means that about 25% of the ceded land revenues went to kanaka maoli, since they are about 1/4 of the school population). Finally, when OHA, racially restricted to kanaka maoli, was created in 1979 (big mistake!), it was funded by giving it 20% of ceded land GROSS revenues -- a huge error, because it costs big money to operate airports, universities, parks, roadways, etc. OHA's 20% of gross ceded land revenues is more than 100% of net revenues after operating expenses. It's easy to see the problem here. OHA claims to be entitled to hundreds of millions of dollars -- 20% of ceded land revenues -- because "betterment of native Hawaiians" was one of five purposes for use of ceded land revenues. Well, what about the other four purposes? The Superintendent of Schools should be lined up right next to the head of OHA, demanding the same number of dollars as OHA, because education was also one of those five purposes. Likewise for the other stated purposes. There isn't that much money in the State budget. And the reason is that most government activities operate at a loss (that's why people have to pay taxes, to make up that loss). Also, kanaka maoli get all the same benefits everyone else gets from State expenditures on public facilities, PLUS the 20% for OHA. The University, for example, operates at a huge loss. The tuition paid by students is only a small part of what it costs to operate the University. The rest is made up by the taxpayers. So when kanaka maoli students say they are owed "rent" for being kind enough to allow the university to sit on ceded lands, we should all feel free to laugh. They think that every time somebody pays tuition, or buys saimin on campus, or pays for a parking space, the race of kanaka maoli should get 20% of all that money (revenue from using the ceded lands) -- as though the professors don't have to be paid, the noodles didn't cost anything to make, and the parking spaces simply materialized from nowhere. Who do they think paid for the buildings? Who paid for the Center for Hawaiian Studies, and all those scholarships and tuition waivers? Where did the library books come from? The ceded lands belong to ALL the people of Hawai'i. The ceded land revenues belong to ALL the people of Hawai'i. The institutions used by kanaka maoli and everyone else cost money to operate, and are heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. Instead of getting 20% of ceded land revenues, OHA should be forced to pay for the difference between what the kanaka maoli students pay to attend school and what it actually costs the State for them to attend. So don't be fooled by revisionist history, half-truths, and Clintonesque twisting of facts. Kanaka maoli entitled to free tuition because the University sits on ceded lands? 'A'OLE!!</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: IN ONE WORD: 'A'OLE!! (NO!!) During the Kingdom, the government lands were held on behalf of ALL the people for public purposes. Government lands are still used that way today. For ALL the people. During the Kingdom, the crown lands were held by the government to provide income to support the head of state. Crown lands did not belong to a monarch personally -- they were passed from one monarch to the next (not to personal heirs of the monarch), even when monarchs from different families were elected. After the King had run up huge mortgages on the crown lands to pay gambling debts and support a dissolute lifestyle, the Kingdom legislature in 1865 took control of the crown lands, issued government bonds to pay off those mortgages, and passed a law (signed by a grateful King) declaring that the King could no longer mortgage them. When the monarchy was overthrown and the office of monarch ceased to exist, the crown lands became the same as government lands. Ex-queen Lili'uokalani sued the United States in 1910, claiming that the U.S. owed her money for taking "her" crown lands. (By the way, she claimed the crown lands were hers personally, not the property of the kanaka maoli race). But she lost, because it was proved that even when she was Queen she did not own the crown lands. The Provisional Government, followed by the Republic, accepted as its own obligations the huge debts of the monarchy. When the annexation occurred, the U.S. agreed to pay the debts of the Republic, most of which were from the monarchy. Paying someone else's debts is a form of compensation. The U.S. also agreed not to simply take the government and crown lands as its own, but to hold them in trust for ALL the residents of Hawai'i. Finally, when those "ceded" lands were returned to the new State of Hawai'i at statehood in 1959 (minus national parks and military bases, which also benefit the people of Hawai'i), they were returned on condition that the income must be used for ANY ONE OR MORE OF 5 PURPOSES. One of those purposes is education; and for the first 20 years of statehood, all the ceded land revenues went to support the public schools (which means that about 25% of the ceded land revenues went to kanaka maoli, since they are about 1/4 of the school population). Finally, when OHA, racially restricted to kanaka maoli, was created in 1979 (big mistake!), it was funded by giving it 20% of ceded land GROSS revenues -- a huge error, because it costs big money to operate airports, universities, parks, roadways, etc. OHA's 20% of gross ceded land revenues is more than 100% of net revenues after operating expenses. It's easy to see the problem here. OHA claims to be entitled to hundreds of millions of dollars -- 20% of ceded land revenues -- because "betterment of native Hawaiians" was one of five purposes for use of ceded land revenues. Well, what about the other four purposes? The Superintendent of Schools should be lined up right next to the head of OHA, demanding the same number of dollars as OHA, because education was also one of those five purposes. Likewise for the other stated purposes. There isn't that much money in the State budget. And the reason is that most government activities operate at a loss (that's why people have to pay taxes, to make up that loss). Also, kanaka maoli get all the same benefits everyone else gets from State expenditures on public facilities, PLUS the 20% for OHA. The University, for example, operates at a huge loss. The tuition paid by students is only a small part of what it costs to operate the University. The rest is made up by the taxpayers. So when kanaka maoli students say they are owed "rent" for being kind enough to allow the university to sit on ceded lands, we should all feel free to laugh. They think that every time somebody pays tuition, or buys saimin on campus, or pays for a parking space, the race of kanaka maoli should get 20% of all that money (revenue from using the ceded lands) -- as though the professors don't have to be paid, the noodles didn't cost anything to make, and the parking spaces simply materialized from nowhere. Who do they think paid for the buildings? Who paid for the Center for Hawaiian Studies, and all those scholarships and tuition waivers? Where did the library books come from? The ceded lands belong to ALL the people of Hawai'i. The ceded land revenues belong to ALL the people of Hawai'i. The institutions used by kanaka maoli and everyone else cost money to operate, and are heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. Instead of getting 20% of ceded land revenues, OHA should be forced to pay for the difference between what the kanaka maoli students pay to attend school and what it actually costs the State for them to attend. So don't be fooled by revisionist history, half-truths, and Clintonesque twisting of facts. Kanaka maoli entitled to free tuition because the University sits on ceded lands? 'A'OLE!!</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Most Hawaiian sovereignty activists have a general political orientation that is quite far to the left. Many acknowledge they are socialists, and some are explicitly Marxist. This leftist orientation can be explained partly because they are struggling against an entrenched political system and dominant culture they see as repressive, and partly because they see traditional Hawaiian culture as a form of agrarian communism. Land was held in common, redistributed at will by chiefs, and labor was organized by and owed to the chiefs. Individual rights were vastly subordinate to group needs. "From each according to ability, to each according to need" was the operative economic policy. It took many people working together to build taro patches, water channels, and fishponds. Warfare was constant except during the rainy season. Some observers fear that if the sovereignty movement is successful, it will establish a form of national socialism with officially-sanctioned racial supremacy for kanaka maoli; and to some this sounds like fascism or Nazism. However, the sovereignty movement seems non-violent. There is no apparent thought of expanding kanaka maoli control beyond the Hawaiian archipelago (including Palmyra, Midway, Kure, and various atolls), although there is a strong Polynesian racial pride and identification with all the islands in the Polynesian triangle, bounded by Aotearoa (New Zealand), Ka Pae 'Aina (Hawai'i), and Rapa Nui (Easter Island). Modern-day political conservatives are generally opposed to Hawaiian sovereignty, and view kanaka maoli as a racial minority seeking affirmative action or race-based entitlement programs. For a Hawai'i conservative viewpoint, see the following website created in February 2000: http://hawaiiconservative.com</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Most Hawaiian sovereignty activists have a general political orientation that is quite far to the left. Many acknowledge they are socialists, and some are explicitly Marxist. This leftist orientation can be explained partly because they are struggling against an entrenched political system and dominant culture they see as repressive, and partly because they see traditional Hawaiian culture as a form of agrarian communism. Land was held in common, redistributed at will by chiefs, and labor was organized by and owed to the chiefs. Individual rights were vastly subordinate to group needs. "From each according to ability, to each according to need" was the operative economic policy. It took many people working together to build taro patches, water channels, and fishponds. Warfare was constant except during the rainy season. Some observers fear that if the sovereignty movement is successful, it will establish a form of national socialism with officially-sanctioned racial supremacy for kanaka maoli; and to some this sounds like fascism or Nazism. However, the sovereignty movement seems non-violent. There is no apparent thought of expanding kanaka maoli control beyond the Hawaiian archipelago (including Palmyra, Midway, Kure, and various atolls), although there is a strong Polynesian racial pride and identification with all the islands in the Polynesian triangle, bounded by Aotearoa (New Zealand), Ka Pae 'Aina (Hawai'i), and Rapa Nui (Easter Island). Modern-day political conservatives are generally opposed to Hawaiian sovereignty, and view kanaka maoli as a racial minority seeking affirmative action or race-based entitlement programs. For a Hawai'i conservative viewpoint, see the following website created in February 2000: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[</ins>http://<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.</ins>hawaiiconservative.com <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">http://hawaiiconservative.com on www.archive.org]</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Many people think racism is an attitude of hating or feeling repelled by people on account of race; and that is certainly part of the equation. Most kanaka maoli are very friendly and welcoming to non-kanaka maoli, freely associating and intermarrying with them. Their person-to-person attitudes are often the opposite of racist. However, the most important part of racism is not a matter of attitude, but a matter of one race exercising power over other races solely on the basis of race. That's what the whites did in the old South (U.S.), that's what the whites did in South Africa, and that's what Hitler did with the Jews. If one race has power over another race because the laws are explicitly written to give them such power, that is government-sponsored racism; and is illustrated by the laws governing voting rights and property rights in all three examples just named. That is the kind of racism which the sovereignty activists are proposing to establish. They believe that only kanaka maoli should have the right to vote on whether to partition the State of Hawai'i to create a race-based Kanakaland; they believe that inside Kanakaland only kanaka maoli should be able to vote and own property; and many of them believe that Kanakaland should include all the territory of the State of Hawai'i, thereby taking away voting rights and property rights from the 80% of population who are non-kanaka maoli. If people show negative feelings toward me, I will feel hurt and sad. But I can live with that. The thing I cannot live with is if people of one race have power to take away voting and property rights from all other races solely because of race. If someone in private life gives me "stink eye" or the one-finger salute, I can simply walk away. But if a government takes away my property and tells me I cannot vote because I don't have the right ancestors, that kind of racism is intolerable and must be fought against. That is the racism of the sovereignty activists: it is less about attitude, and more about the exercise of power. And it is demonstrated in every large social organization where kanaka maoli hold power, allowing only kanaka maoli to vote, to hold office, or to receive benefits: OHA (the State of Hawai'i Office of Hawaiian Afairs), Kamehameha School/Bishop Estate, DHHL (Department of Hawaiian Homelands), HSEC (Hawaiian Sovereignty Election Council) and the Native Hawaiian Convention, etc. The largest sovereignty organization, Ka Lahui, allows non-kanaka maoli to belong and support them, but only kanaka maoli can vote. Bumpy Kanahele's constitution for the "Nation of Hawai'i" allows non-kanaka maoli to belong, and even to be elected to the legislature, but requires that at least half of all legislators must be kanaka maoli, the chief executive and all judges must be kanaka maoli, all the councils of kupuna, makua, and 'opio must be kanaka maoli, etc.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Many people think racism is an attitude of hating or feeling repelled by people on account of race; and that is certainly part of the equation. Most kanaka maoli are very friendly and welcoming to non-kanaka maoli, freely associating and intermarrying with them. Their person-to-person attitudes are often the opposite of racist. However, the most important part of racism is not a matter of attitude, but a matter of one race exercising power over other races solely on the basis of race. That's what the whites did in the old South (U.S.), that's what the whites did in South Africa, and that's what Hitler did with the Jews. If one race has power over another race because the laws are explicitly written to give them such power, that is government-sponsored racism; and is illustrated by the laws governing voting rights and property rights in all three examples just named. That is the kind of racism which the sovereignty activists are proposing to establish. They believe that only kanaka maoli should have the right to vote on whether to partition the State of Hawai'i to create a race-based Kanakaland; they believe that inside Kanakaland only kanaka maoli should be able to vote and own property; and many of them believe that Kanakaland should include all the territory of the State of Hawai'i, thereby taking away voting rights and property rights from the 80% of population who are non-kanaka maoli. If people show negative feelings toward me, I will feel hurt and sad. But I can live with that. The thing I cannot live with is if people of one race have power to take away voting and property rights from all other races solely because of race. If someone in private life gives me "stink eye" or the one-finger salute, I can simply walk away. But if a government takes away my property and tells me I cannot vote because I don't have the right ancestors, that kind of racism is intolerable and must be fought against. That is the racism of the sovereignty activists: it is less about attitude, and more about the exercise of power. And it is demonstrated in every large social organization where kanaka maoli hold power, allowing only kanaka maoli to vote, to hold office, or to receive benefits: OHA (the State of Hawai'i Office of Hawaiian Afairs), Kamehameha School/Bishop Estate, DHHL (Department of Hawaiian Homelands), HSEC (Hawaiian Sovereignty Election Council) and the Native Hawaiian Convention, etc. The largest sovereignty organization, Ka Lahui, allows non-kanaka maoli to belong and support them, but only kanaka maoli can vote. Bumpy Kanahele's constitution for the "Nation of Hawai'i" allows non-kanaka maoli to belong, and even to be elected to the legislature, but requires that at least half of all legislators must be kanaka maoli, the chief executive and all judges must be kanaka maoli, all the councils of kupuna, makua, and 'opio must be kanaka maoli, etc.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Most Hawaiian sovereignty activists have a general political orientation that is quite far to the left. Many acknowledge they are socialists, and some are explicitly Marxist. This leftist orientation can be explained partly because they are struggling against an entrenched political system and dominant culture they see as repressive, and partly because they see traditional Hawaiian culture as a form of agrarian communism. Land was held in common, redistributed at will by chiefs, and labor was organized by and owed to the chiefs. Individual rights were vastly subordinate to group needs. "From each according to ability, to each according to need" was the operative economic policy. It took many people working together to build taro patches, water channels, and fishponds. Warfare was constant except during the rainy season. Some observers fear that if the sovereignty movement is successful, it will establish a form of national socialism with officially-sanctioned racial supremacy for kanaka maoli; and to some this sounds like fascism or Nazism. However, the sovereignty movement seems non-violent. There is no apparent thought of expanding kanaka maoli control beyond the Hawaiian archipelago (including Palmyra, Midway, Kure, and various atolls), although there is a strong Polynesian racial pride and identification with all the islands in the Polynesian triangle, bounded by Aotearoa (New Zealand), Ka Pae 'Aina (Hawai'i), and Rapa Nui (Easter Island). Modern-day political conservatives are generally opposed to Hawaiian sovereignty, and view kanaka maoli as a racial minority seeking affirmative action or race-based entitlement programs. For a Hawai'i conservative viewpoint, see the following website created in February 2000: http://hawaiiconservative.com</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Most Hawaiian sovereignty activists have a general political orientation that is quite far to the left. Many acknowledge they are socialists, and some are explicitly Marxist. This leftist orientation can be explained partly because they are struggling against an entrenched political system and dominant culture they see as repressive, and partly because they see traditional Hawaiian culture as a form of agrarian communism. Land was held in common, redistributed at will by chiefs, and labor was organized by and owed to the chiefs. Individual rights were vastly subordinate to group needs. "From each according to ability, to each according to need" was the operative economic policy. It took many people working together to build taro patches, water channels, and fishponds. Warfare was constant except during the rainy season. Some observers fear that if the sovereignty movement is successful, it will establish a form of national socialism with officially-sanctioned racial supremacy for kanaka maoli; and to some this sounds like fascism or Nazism. However, the sovereignty movement seems non-violent. There is no apparent thought of expanding kanaka maoli control beyond the Hawaiian archipelago (including Palmyra, Midway, Kure, and various atolls), although there is a strong Polynesian racial pride and identification with all the islands in the Polynesian triangle, bounded by Aotearoa (New Zealand), Ka Pae 'Aina (Hawai'i), and Rapa Nui (Easter Island). Modern-day political conservatives are generally opposed to Hawaiian sovereignty, and view kanaka maoli as a racial minority seeking affirmative action or race-based entitlement programs. For a Hawai'i conservative viewpoint, see the following website created in February 2000: http://hawaiiconservative.com</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Martin Luther King’s holiday coincided on January 17, 2000 with the 107th anniversary of the Hawaiian Kingdom’s overthrow. Kanaka maoli activists tried to link their political quest for sovereignty to the celebration of Dr. King's holiday. Superficially, there appears to be some similarity between the status of African Americans and Americans of Hawaiian ancestry (kanaka maoli). Both groups see themselves as darkskinned, downtrodden minorities struggling against a dominant culture that is often insensitive or even hostile to their concerns. Dr. King and African-Americans struggled mightily to achieve equal voting rights, property rights, and desegregation. But the Hawaiian sovereignty movement is working hard to take away those same rights from the 80% of Hawai'i's population who lack the proper racial heritage. Most sovereignty activists claim that only kanaka maoli (native Hawaiians) have the right to vote on whether to establish a sovereign kanaka maoli entity; and only kanaka maoli have the right to vote and own property inside the resulting Kanakaland. Many claim the new Kanakaland should include the entire State of Hawai'i; taking away voting rights and property rights from a million non-kanaka maoli residents. The Kingdom of Hawai'i never restricted voting rights to kanaka maoli alone. In 1893 it was a multiracial nation where every ethnic group (including kanaka maoli) was a minority, just as now. Power held solely because of race is exactly what Dr. King fought against. Rule by a racial minority was the discredited apartheid system from South Africa. Dr. King would be horrified.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Martin Luther King’s holiday coincided on January 17, 2000 with the 107th anniversary of the Hawaiian Kingdom’s overthrow. Kanaka maoli activists tried to link their political quest for sovereignty to the celebration of Dr. King's holiday. Superficially, there appears to be some similarity between the status of African Americans and Americans of Hawaiian ancestry (kanaka maoli). Both groups see themselves as darkskinned, downtrodden minorities struggling against a dominant culture that is often insensitive or even hostile to their concerns. Dr. King and African-Americans struggled mightily to achieve equal voting rights, property rights, and desegregation. But the Hawaiian sovereignty movement is working hard to take away those same rights from the 80% of Hawai'i's population who lack the proper racial heritage. Most sovereignty activists claim that only kanaka maoli (native Hawaiians) have the right to vote on whether to establish a sovereign kanaka maoli entity; and only kanaka maoli have the right to vote and own property inside the resulting Kanakaland. Many claim the new Kanakaland should include the entire State of Hawai'i; taking away voting rights and property rights from a million non-kanaka maoli residents. The Kingdom of Hawai'i never restricted voting rights to kanaka maoli alone. In 1893 it was a multiracial nation where every ethnic group (including kanaka maoli) was a minority, just as now. Power held solely because of race is exactly what Dr. King fought against. Rule by a racial minority was the discredited apartheid system from South Africa. Dr. King would be horrified.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">IS THE SOVEREIGNTY MOVEMENT RACIST</del>?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Is the sovereignty movement racist</ins>?==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Many people think racism is an attitude of hating or feeling repelled by people on account of race; and that is certainly part of the equation. Most kanaka maoli are very friendly and welcoming to non-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM</del>, freely associating and intermarrying with them. Their person-to-person attitudes are often the opposite of racist. However, the most important part of racism is not a matter of attitude, but a matter of one race exercising power over other races solely on the basis of race. That's what the whites did in the old South (U.S.), that's what the whites did in South Africa, and that's what Hitler did with the Jews. If one race has power over another race because the laws are explicitly written to give them such power, that is government-sponsored racism; and is illustrated by the laws governing voting rights and property rights in all three examples just named. That is the kind of racism which the sovereignty activists are proposing to establish. They believe that only <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>should have the right to vote on whether to partition the State of Hawai'i to create a race-based Kanakaland; they believe that inside Kanakaland only <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>should be able to vote and own property; and many of them believe that Kanakaland should include all the territory of the State of Hawai'i, thereby taking away voting rights and property rights from the 80% of population who are non-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM</del>. If people show negative feelings toward me, I will feel hurt and sad. But I can live with that. The thing I cannot live with is if people of one race have power to take away voting and property rights from all other races solely because of race. If someone in private life gives me "stink eye" or the one-finger salute, I can simply walk away. But if a government takes away my property and tells me I cannot vote because I don't have the right ancestors, that kind of racism is intolerable and must be fought against. That is the racism of the sovereignty activists: it is less about attitude, and more about the exercise of power. And it is demonstrated in every large social organization where kanaka maoli hold power, allowing only kanaka maoli to vote, to hold office, or to receive benefits: OHA (the State of Hawai'i Office of Hawaiian Afairs), Kamehameha School/Bishop Estate, DHHL (Department of Hawaiian Homelands), HSEC (Hawaiian Sovereignty Election Council) and the Native Hawaiian Convention, etc. The largest sovereignty organization, Ka Lahui, allows non-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>to belong and support them, but only <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>can vote. Bumpy Kanahele's constitution for the "Nation of Hawai'i" allows non-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>to belong, and even to be elected to the legislature, but requires that at least half of all legislators must be <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM</del>, the chief <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">ecexutive </del>and all judges must be <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM</del>, all the councils of kupuna, makua, and 'opio must be <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM</del>, etc.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Many people think racism is an attitude of hating or feeling repelled by people on account of race; and that is certainly part of the equation. Most kanaka maoli are very friendly and welcoming to non-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli</ins>, freely associating and intermarrying with them. Their person-to-person attitudes are often the opposite of racist. However, the most important part of racism is not a matter of attitude, but a matter of one race exercising power over other races solely on the basis of race. That's what the whites did in the old South (U.S.), that's what the whites did in South Africa, and that's what Hitler did with the Jews. If one race has power over another race because the laws are explicitly written to give them such power, that is government-sponsored racism; and is illustrated by the laws governing voting rights and property rights in all three examples just named. That is the kind of racism which the sovereignty activists are proposing to establish. They believe that only <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>should have the right to vote on whether to partition the State of Hawai'i to create a race-based Kanakaland; they believe that inside Kanakaland only <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>should be able to vote and own property; and many of them believe that Kanakaland should include all the territory of the State of Hawai'i, thereby taking away voting rights and property rights from the 80% of population who are non-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli</ins>. If people show negative feelings toward me, I will feel hurt and sad. But I can live with that. The thing I cannot live with is if people of one race have power to take away voting and property rights from all other races solely because of race. If someone in private life gives me "stink eye" or the one-finger salute, I can simply walk away. But if a government takes away my property and tells me I cannot vote because I don't have the right ancestors, that kind of racism is intolerable and must be fought against. That is the racism of the sovereignty activists: it is less about attitude, and more about the exercise of power. And it is demonstrated in every large social organization where kanaka maoli hold power, allowing only kanaka maoli to vote, to hold office, or to receive benefits: OHA (the State of Hawai'i Office of Hawaiian Afairs), Kamehameha School/Bishop Estate, DHHL (Department of Hawaiian Homelands), HSEC (Hawaiian Sovereignty Election Council) and the Native Hawaiian Convention, etc. The largest sovereignty organization, Ka Lahui, allows non-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>to belong and support them, but only <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>can vote. Bumpy Kanahele's constitution for the "Nation of Hawai'i" allows non-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>to belong, and even to be elected to the legislature, but requires that at least half of all legislators must be <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli</ins>, the chief <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">executive </ins>and all judges must be <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli</ins>, all the councils of kupuna, makua, and 'opio must be <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli</ins>, etc.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Would Dr. Martin Luther King support the Hawaiian sovereignty movement?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Would Dr. Martin Luther King support the Hawaiian sovereignty movement?==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Martin Luther King’s holiday coincided on January 17, 2000 with the 107th anniversary of the Hawaiian Kingdom’s overthrow. Kanaka maoli activists tried to link their political quest for sovereignty to the celebration of Dr. King's holiday. Superficially, there appears to be some similarity between the status of African Americans and Americans of Hawaiian ancestry (kanaka maoli). Both groups see themselves as darkskinned, downtrodden minorities struggling against a dominant culture that is often insensitive or even hostile to their concerns. Dr. King and African-Americans struggled mightily to achieve equal voting rights, property rights, and desegregation. But the Hawaiian sovereignty movement is working hard to take away those same rights from the 80% of Hawai'i's population who lack the proper racial heritage. Most sovereignty activists claim that only <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM (</del>kanaka maoli<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, </del>native Hawaiians) have the right to vote on whether to establish a sovereign <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>entity; and only <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>have the right to vote and own property inside the resulting Kanakaland. Many claim the new Kanakaland should include the entire State of Hawai'i; taking away voting rights and property rights from a million non-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>residents. The Kingdom of Hawai'i never restricted voting rights to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>alone. In 1893 it was a multiracial nation where every ethnic group (including <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM</del>) was a minority, just as now. Power held solely because of race is exactly what Dr. King fought against. Rule by a racial minority was the discredited apartheid system from South Africa. Dr. King would be horrified.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Martin Luther King’s holiday coincided on January 17, 2000 with the 107th anniversary of the Hawaiian Kingdom’s overthrow. Kanaka maoli activists tried to link their political quest for sovereignty to the celebration of Dr. King's holiday. Superficially, there appears to be some similarity between the status of African Americans and Americans of Hawaiian ancestry (kanaka maoli). Both groups see themselves as darkskinned, downtrodden minorities struggling against a dominant culture that is often insensitive or even hostile to their concerns. Dr. King and African-Americans struggled mightily to achieve equal voting rights, property rights, and desegregation. But the Hawaiian sovereignty movement is working hard to take away those same rights from the 80% of Hawai'i's population who lack the proper racial heritage. Most sovereignty activists claim that only kanaka maoli <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">(</ins>native Hawaiians) have the right to vote on whether to establish a sovereign <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>entity; and only <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>have the right to vote and own property inside the resulting Kanakaland. Many claim the new Kanakaland should include the entire State of Hawai'i; taking away voting rights and property rights from a million non-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>residents. The Kingdom of Hawai'i never restricted voting rights to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>alone. In 1893 it was a multiracial nation where every ethnic group (including <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli</ins>) was a minority, just as now. Power held solely because of race is exactly what Dr. King fought against. Rule by a racial minority was the discredited apartheid system from South Africa. Dr. King would be horrified.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Kanaka maoli claim to be indigenous, but actually their first wave arrived in Hawai'i later than the Anglo-Saxons were established in England, and their second wave (which conquered and destroyed or enslaved the previous settlers) arrived in Hawai'i later than the Norman invasion of England. Kanaka maoli are far less indigenous than the Indians on the American continent. Kanaka maoli fail to meet most of the criteria established by the Bureau of Indian Affairs for recognizing tribal status. Kanaka maoli were never slaughtered in wars with non-kanaka maoli, and were never forced to move hundreds of miles away from their "ancestral" lands. They have no recognized tribal leaders or tribal courts. They are well-assimilated, and learn ancient cultural practices and Hawaiian language just like other ethnic groups seek their roots -- only as secondary pastimes to their primary lifestyle as ordinary citizens of Hawai'i. However, some kanaka maoli envy the gravy train of federal benefits to Indian tribes, and the special rights of Indian tribes over land and natural resources. And some state government officials, together with Hawai'i's two U.S. senators, believe that federal recognition of Indian status would bring megabucks to Hawai'i and would help defuse the sovereignty movement. Federal recognition of Indian status is being sought by leaders of the largest kanaka maoli sovereignty organization (Ka Lahui), and by some of the elected officers of a State of Hawai'i governmental equivalent to the Bureau of Indian Affairs (OHA). Some kanaka maoli who advocate total independence and a restriction of voting rights and property rights to kanaka maoli alone, see tribal status as a dangerous but possibly acceptable first step toward their goals. But other kanaka maoli strongly oppose tribal status, because they believe it would block or delay restoration of an independent and sovereign nation or Kingdom of Hawai'i. Growing numbers of people of all races in Hawai'i, including many kanaka maoli, are concerned that tribal status would be a major drain on the resources of the U.S. government, could eventually bankrupt the State of Hawai'i, and would cause an irreparable breach of the aloha spirit, putting up a permanent wall of apartheid between the 20% of the population who have any kanaka maoli blood vs. the 80% who do not. There is no historical, legal, or moral basis for tribal status in Hawai'i, nor for any other special rights limited by race to people who have the "right" ancestors. See especially the sections of this website dealing with whether non-kanaka maoli were historically full partners, and whether there were stolen lands. See also another website focusing on the ceded lands issue: [http://aloha4all.org Aloha For All]. See also a large website based in upstate New York focusing on the effects of Indian tribal status on states and localities throughout the United States: http://www.ucelandclaim.com</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Kanaka maoli claim to be indigenous, but actually their first wave arrived in Hawai'i later than the Anglo-Saxons were established in England, and their second wave (which conquered and destroyed or enslaved the previous settlers) arrived in Hawai'i later than the Norman invasion of England. Kanaka maoli are far less indigenous than the Indians on the American continent. Kanaka maoli fail to meet most of the criteria established by the Bureau of Indian Affairs for recognizing tribal status. Kanaka maoli were never slaughtered in wars with non-kanaka maoli, and were never forced to move hundreds of miles away from their "ancestral" lands. They have no recognized tribal leaders or tribal courts. They are well-assimilated, and learn ancient cultural practices and Hawaiian language just like other ethnic groups seek their roots -- only as secondary pastimes to their primary lifestyle as ordinary citizens of Hawai'i. However, some kanaka maoli envy the gravy train of federal benefits to Indian tribes, and the special rights of Indian tribes over land and natural resources. And some state government officials, together with Hawai'i's two U.S. senators, believe that federal recognition of Indian status would bring megabucks to Hawai'i and would help defuse the sovereignty movement. Federal recognition of Indian status is being sought by leaders of the largest kanaka maoli sovereignty organization (Ka Lahui), and by some of the elected officers of a State of Hawai'i governmental equivalent to the Bureau of Indian Affairs (OHA). Some kanaka maoli who advocate total independence and a restriction of voting rights and property rights to kanaka maoli alone, see tribal status as a dangerous but possibly acceptable first step toward their goals. But other kanaka maoli strongly oppose tribal status, because they believe it would block or delay restoration of an independent and sovereign nation or Kingdom of Hawai'i. Growing numbers of people of all races in Hawai'i, including many kanaka maoli, are concerned that tribal status would be a major drain on the resources of the U.S. government, could eventually bankrupt the State of Hawai'i, and would cause an irreparable breach of the aloha spirit, putting up a permanent wall of apartheid between the 20% of the population who have any kanaka maoli blood vs. the 80% who do not. There is no historical, legal, or moral basis for tribal status in Hawai'i, nor for any other special rights limited by race to people who have the "right" ancestors. See especially the sections of this website dealing with whether non-kanaka maoli were historically full partners, and whether there were stolen lands. See also another website focusing on the ceded lands issue: [http://aloha4all.org Aloha For All]. See also a large website based in upstate New York focusing on the effects of Indian tribal status on states and localities throughout the United States: http://www.ucelandclaim.com</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">WOULD DR</del>. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">MARTIN LUTHER KING SUPPORT THE HAWAIIAN SOVEREIGNTY MOVEMENT</del>?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Would Dr</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Martin Luther King support the Hawaiian sovereignty movement</ins>?==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Martin Luther King’s holiday coincided on January 17, 2000 with the 107th anniversary of the Hawaiian Kingdom’s overthrow. Kanaka maoli activists tried to link their political quest for sovereignty to the celebration of Dr. King's holiday. Superficially, there appears to be some similarity between the status of African Americans and Americans of Hawaiian ancestry (kanaka maoli). Both groups see themselves as darkskinned, downtrodden minorities struggling against a dominant culture that is often insensitive or even hostile to their concerns. Dr. King and African-Americans struggled mightily to achieve equal voting rights, property rights, and desegregation. But the Hawaiian sovereignty movement is working hard to take away those same rights from the 80% of Hawai'i's population who lack the proper racial heritage. Most sovereignty activists claim that only KM (kanaka maoli, native Hawaiians) have the right to vote on whether to establish a sovereign KM entity; and only KM have the right to vote and own property inside the resulting Kanakaland. Many claim the new Kanakaland should include the entire State of Hawai'i; taking away voting rights and property rights from a million non-KM residents. The Kingdom of Hawai'i never restricted voting rights to KM alone. In 1893 it was a multiracial nation where every ethnic group (including KM) was a minority, just as now. Power held solely because of race is exactly what Dr. King fought against. Rule by a racial minority was the discredited apartheid system from South Africa. Dr. King would be horrified.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Martin Luther King’s holiday coincided on January 17, 2000 with the 107th anniversary of the Hawaiian Kingdom’s overthrow. Kanaka maoli activists tried to link their political quest for sovereignty to the celebration of Dr. King's holiday. Superficially, there appears to be some similarity between the status of African Americans and Americans of Hawaiian ancestry (kanaka maoli). Both groups see themselves as darkskinned, downtrodden minorities struggling against a dominant culture that is often insensitive or even hostile to their concerns. Dr. King and African-Americans struggled mightily to achieve equal voting rights, property rights, and desegregation. But the Hawaiian sovereignty movement is working hard to take away those same rights from the 80% of Hawai'i's population who lack the proper racial heritage. Most sovereignty activists claim that only KM (kanaka maoli, native Hawaiians) have the right to vote on whether to establish a sovereign KM entity; and only KM have the right to vote and own property inside the resulting Kanakaland. Many claim the new Kanakaland should include the entire State of Hawai'i; taking away voting rights and property rights from a million non-KM residents. The Kingdom of Hawai'i never restricted voting rights to KM alone. In 1893 it was a multiracial nation where every ethnic group (including KM) was a minority, just as now. Power held solely because of race is exactly what Dr. King fought against. Rule by a racial minority was the discredited apartheid system from South Africa. Dr. King would be horrified.</div></td></tr>
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</table>WikiSysophttps://kenconklin.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions&diff=1306&oldid=prevWikiSysop: /* Are kanaka maoli similar to an indian tribe? Should they be granted that status and have special rights over land and water? */2005-11-01T17:19:26Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Are kanaka maoli similar to an indian tribe? Should they be granted that status and have special rights over land and water?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Are kanaka maoli similar to an indian tribe? Should they be granted that status and have special rights over land and water?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Are kanaka maoli similar to an indian tribe? Should they be granted that status and have special rights over land and water?==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Kanaka maoli claim to be indigenous, but actually their first wave arrived in Hawai'i later than the Anglo-Saxons were established in England, and their second wave (which conquered and destroyed or enslaved the previous settlers) arrived in Hawai'i later than the Norman invasion of England. Kanaka maoli are far less indigenous than the Indians on the American continent. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>fail to meet most of the criteria established by the Bureau of Indian Affairs for recognizing tribal status. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>were never slaughtered in wars with non-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM</del>, and were never forced to move hundreds of miles away from their "ancestral" lands. They have no recognized tribal leaders or tribal courts. They are well-assimilated, and learn ancient cultural practices and Hawaiian language just like other ethnic groups seek their roots -- only as secondary <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">passtimes </del>to their primary lifestyle as ordinary citizens of Hawai'i. However, some <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>envy the gravy train of federal benefits to Indian tribes, and the special rights of Indian tribes over land and natural resources. And some state government officials, together with Hawai'i's two U.S. senators, believe that federal recognition of Indian status would bring megabucks to Hawai'i and would help defuse the sovereignty movement. Federal recognition of Indian status is being sought by leaders of the largest <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>sovereignty organization (Ka Lahui), and by some of the elected officers of a State of Hawai'i governmental equivalent to the Bureau of Indian Affairs (OHA). Some <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>who advocate total independence and a restriction of voting rights and property rights to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>alone, see tribal status as a dangerous but possibly acceptable first step toward their goals. But other <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>strongly oppose tribal status, because they believe it would block or delay restoration of an independent and sovereign nation or Kingdom of Hawai'i. Growing numbers of people of all races in Hawai'i, including many <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM</del>, are concerned that tribal status would be a major drain on the resources of the U.S. government, could eventually bankrupt the State of Hawai'i, and would cause an irreparable breach of the aloha spirit, putting up a permanent wall of apartheid between the 20% of the population who have any <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>blood vs. the 80% who do not. There is no historical, legal, or moral basis for tribal status in Hawai'i, nor for any other special rights limited by race to people who have the "right" ancestors. See especially the sections of this website dealing with whether non-<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">KM </del>were historically full partners, and whether there were stolen lands. See also another website focusing on the ceded lands issue: http://aloha4all.org See also a large website based in upstate New York focusing on the effects of Indian tribal status on states and localities throughout the United States: http://www.ucelandclaim.com</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Kanaka maoli claim to be indigenous, but actually their first wave arrived in Hawai'i later than the Anglo-Saxons were established in England, and their second wave (which conquered and destroyed or enslaved the previous settlers) arrived in Hawai'i later than the Norman invasion of England. Kanaka maoli are far less indigenous than the Indians on the American continent. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Kanaka maoli </ins>fail to meet most of the criteria established by the Bureau of Indian Affairs for recognizing tribal status. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Kanaka maoli </ins>were never slaughtered in wars with non-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli</ins>, and were never forced to move hundreds of miles away from their "ancestral" lands. They have no recognized tribal leaders or tribal courts. They are well-assimilated, and learn ancient cultural practices and Hawaiian language just like other ethnic groups seek their roots -- only as secondary <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">pastimes </ins>to their primary lifestyle as ordinary citizens of Hawai'i. However, some <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>envy the gravy train of federal benefits to Indian tribes, and the special rights of Indian tribes over land and natural resources. And some state government officials, together with Hawai'i's two U.S. senators, believe that federal recognition of Indian status would bring megabucks to Hawai'i and would help defuse the sovereignty movement. Federal recognition of Indian status is being sought by leaders of the largest <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>sovereignty organization (Ka Lahui), and by some of the elected officers of a State of Hawai'i governmental equivalent to the Bureau of Indian Affairs (OHA). Some <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>who advocate total independence and a restriction of voting rights and property rights to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>alone, see tribal status as a dangerous but possibly acceptable first step toward their goals. But other <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>strongly oppose tribal status, because they believe it would block or delay restoration of an independent and sovereign nation or Kingdom of Hawai'i. Growing numbers of people of all races in Hawai'i, including many <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli</ins>, are concerned that tribal status would be a major drain on the resources of the U.S. government, could eventually bankrupt the State of Hawai'i, and would cause an irreparable breach of the aloha spirit, putting up a permanent wall of apartheid between the 20% of the population who have any <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>blood vs. the 80% who do not. There is no historical, legal, or moral basis for tribal status in Hawai'i, nor for any other special rights limited by race to people who have the "right" ancestors. See especially the sections of this website dealing with whether non-<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">kanaka maoli </ins>were historically full partners, and whether there were stolen lands. See also another website focusing on the ceded lands issue: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[</ins>http://aloha4all.org <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Aloha For All]. </ins>See also a large website based in upstate New York focusing on the effects of Indian tribal status on states and localities throughout the United States: http://www.ucelandclaim.com</div></td></tr>
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</table>WikiSysophttps://kenconklin.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions&diff=1305&oldid=prevWikiSysop: /* ARE KANAKA MAOLI SIMILAR TO AN INDIAN TRIBE? SHOULD THEY BE GRANTED THAT STATUS AND HAVE SPECIAL RIGHTS OVER LAND AND WATER? */2005-11-01T17:17:11Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">ARE KANAKA MAOLI SIMILAR TO AN INDIAN TRIBE? SHOULD THEY BE GRANTED THAT STATUS AND HAVE SPECIAL RIGHTS OVER LAND AND WATER?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: No court has ever given such a ruling. Indeed, many kanaka maoli have been found guilty of various offenses even after specifically raising this issue. In some cases, for example, kanaka maoli have tried to assert this defense when accused of speeding, or failing to have proper license plates on their cars, or proper driver's licenses. Kanaka maoli have occasionally asserted this claim in civil litigation, especially in cases involving squatter eviction or land title. The apology bill was passed by Congress as a favor to the Hawai'i Congressional delegation to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the overthrow of the monarchy. It was passed without public hearings or any substantial floor debate, just as Congress passes hundreds of such bills routinely to commemorate various historical events or to recognize "national nutmeg day." On November 21, 1998, Hawai'i Senator Daniel K. Akaka (himself kanaka maoli) gave a public speech before the Kukahi Coalition at the Center for Hawaiian Studies, University of Hawai'i, Manoa (Honolulu). Here is one full paragraph from his speech: "The Apology Resolution was never intended to be used as the basis for disobeying local, state, and federal laws. I do not support any individual or organization that uses the Apology Resolution for personal benefit or gain. The 1893 overthrow affected Native Hawaiians as a class of people. As such, the remedy for this injustice must be determined collectively. Anyone who willfully violates laws based on the Apology Resolution will be personally accountable for his or her actions." This statement is important because Senator Akaka was the author and Senate sponsor of the Apology Resolution. When courts interpret the meaning and application of federal laws, they often consider historical information that shows the intent of Congress. Even the Supreme Court considers the writings of the founding fathers (as in the Federalist Papers) when interpreting the meaning of particular phrases in the Constitution. So it is clear that Senator Akaka's statement establishes that the Apology Resolution was never intended to support claims by sovereignty activists that the State of Hawai'i lacks jurisdiction to enforce the laws, or that kanaka maoli should be treated any differently from other citizens.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: No court has ever given such a ruling. Indeed, many kanaka maoli have been found guilty of various offenses even after specifically raising this issue. In some cases, for example, kanaka maoli have tried to assert this defense when accused of speeding, or failing to have proper license plates on their cars, or proper driver's licenses. Kanaka maoli have occasionally asserted this claim in civil litigation, especially in cases involving squatter eviction or land title. The apology bill was passed by Congress as a favor to the Hawai'i Congressional delegation to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the overthrow of the monarchy. It was passed without public hearings or any substantial floor debate, just as Congress passes hundreds of such bills routinely to commemorate various historical events or to recognize "national nutmeg day." On November 21, 1998, Hawai'i Senator Daniel K. Akaka (himself kanaka maoli) gave a public speech before the Kukahi Coalition at the Center for Hawaiian Studies, University of Hawai'i, Manoa (Honolulu). Here is one full paragraph from his speech: "The Apology Resolution was never intended to be used as the basis for disobeying local, state, and federal laws. I do not support any individual or organization that uses the Apology Resolution for personal benefit or gain. The 1893 overthrow affected Native Hawaiians as a class of people. As such, the remedy for this injustice must be determined collectively. Anyone who willfully violates laws based on the Apology Resolution will be personally accountable for his or her actions." This statement is important because Senator Akaka was the author and Senate sponsor of the Apology Resolution. When courts interpret the meaning and application of federal laws, they often consider historical information that shows the intent of Congress. Even the Supreme Court considers the writings of the founding fathers (as in the Federalist Papers) when interpreting the meaning of particular phrases in the Constitution. So it is clear that Senator Akaka's statement establishes that the Apology Resolution was never intended to support claims by sovereignty activists that the State of Hawai'i lacks jurisdiction to enforce the laws, or that kanaka maoli should be treated any differently from other citizens.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">ARE KANAKA MAOLI SIMILAR TO AN INDIAN TRIBE</del>? <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">SHOULD THEY BE GRANTED THAT STATUS AND HAVE SPECIAL RIGHTS OVER LAND AND WATER</del>?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Are kanaka maoli similar to an indian tribe</ins>? <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"> Should they be granted that status and have special rights over land and water</ins>?==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Kanaka maoli claim to be indigenous, but actually their first wave arrived in Hawai'i later than the Anglo-Saxons were established in England, and their second wave (which conquered and destroyed or enslaved the previous settlers) arrived in Hawai'i later than the Norman invasion of England. Kanaka maoli are far less indigenous than the Indians on the American continent. KM fail to meet most of the criteria established by the Bureau of Indian Affairs for recognizing tribal status. KM were never slaughtered in wars with non-KM, and were never forced to move hundreds of miles away from their "ancestral" lands. They have no recognized tribal leaders or tribal courts. They are well-assimilated, and learn ancient cultural practices and Hawaiian language just like other ethnic groups seek their roots -- only as secondary passtimes to their primary lifestyle as ordinary citizens of Hawai'i. However, some KM envy the gravy train of federal benefits to Indian tribes, and the special rights of Indian tribes over land and natural resources. And some state government officials, together with Hawai'i's two U.S. senators, believe that federal recognition of Indian status would bring megabucks to Hawai'i and would help defuse the sovereignty movement. Federal recognition of Indian status is being sought by leaders of the largest KM sovereignty organization (Ka Lahui), and by some of the elected officers of a State of Hawai'i governmental equivalent to the Bureau of Indian Affairs (OHA). Some KM who advocate total independence and a restriction of voting rights and property rights to KM alone, see tribal status as a dangerous but possibly acceptable first step toward their goals. But other KM strongly oppose tribal status, because they believe it would block or delay restoration of an independent and sovereign nation or Kingdom of Hawai'i. Growing numbers of people of all races in Hawai'i, including many KM, are concerned that tribal status would be a major drain on the resources of the U.S. government, could eventually bankrupt the State of Hawai'i, and would cause an irreparable breach of the aloha spirit, putting up a permanent wall of apartheid between the 20% of the population who have any KM blood vs. the 80% who do not. There is no historical, legal, or moral basis for tribal status in Hawai'i, nor for any other special rights limited by race to people who have the "right" ancestors. See especially the sections of this website dealing with whether non-KM were historically full partners, and whether there were stolen lands. See also another website focusing on the ceded lands issue: http://aloha4all.org See also a large website based in upstate New York focusing on the effects of Indian tribal status on states and localities throughout the United States: http://www.ucelandclaim.com</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: Kanaka maoli claim to be indigenous, but actually their first wave arrived in Hawai'i later than the Anglo-Saxons were established in England, and their second wave (which conquered and destroyed or enslaved the previous settlers) arrived in Hawai'i later than the Norman invasion of England. Kanaka maoli are far less indigenous than the Indians on the American continent. KM fail to meet most of the criteria established by the Bureau of Indian Affairs for recognizing tribal status. KM were never slaughtered in wars with non-KM, and were never forced to move hundreds of miles away from their "ancestral" lands. They have no recognized tribal leaders or tribal courts. They are well-assimilated, and learn ancient cultural practices and Hawaiian language just like other ethnic groups seek their roots -- only as secondary passtimes to their primary lifestyle as ordinary citizens of Hawai'i. However, some KM envy the gravy train of federal benefits to Indian tribes, and the special rights of Indian tribes over land and natural resources. And some state government officials, together with Hawai'i's two U.S. senators, believe that federal recognition of Indian status would bring megabucks to Hawai'i and would help defuse the sovereignty movement. Federal recognition of Indian status is being sought by leaders of the largest KM sovereignty organization (Ka Lahui), and by some of the elected officers of a State of Hawai'i governmental equivalent to the Bureau of Indian Affairs (OHA). Some KM who advocate total independence and a restriction of voting rights and property rights to KM alone, see tribal status as a dangerous but possibly acceptable first step toward their goals. But other KM strongly oppose tribal status, because they believe it would block or delay restoration of an independent and sovereign nation or Kingdom of Hawai'i. Growing numbers of people of all races in Hawai'i, including many KM, are concerned that tribal status would be a major drain on the resources of the U.S. government, could eventually bankrupt the State of Hawai'i, and would cause an irreparable breach of the aloha spirit, putting up a permanent wall of apartheid between the 20% of the population who have any KM blood vs. the 80% who do not. There is no historical, legal, or moral basis for tribal status in Hawai'i, nor for any other special rights limited by race to people who have the "right" ancestors. See especially the sections of this website dealing with whether non-KM were historically full partners, and whether there were stolen lands. See also another website focusing on the ceded lands issue: http://aloha4all.org See also a large website based in upstate New York focusing on the effects of Indian tribal status on states and localities throughout the United States: http://www.ucelandclaim.com</div></td></tr>
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</table>WikiSysophttps://kenconklin.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions&diff=1304&oldid=prevWikiSysop: /* CAN THE APOLOGY BILL BE USED TO PROVE THAT THE U.S. AND STATE OF HAWAI'I GOVERNMENTS AND COURTS HAVE NO JURISDICTION IN HAWAI'I, ESPECIALLY REGARDING KANAKA MAOLI? */2005-11-01T17:15:53Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">CAN THE APOLOGY BILL BE USED TO PROVE THAT THE U.S. AND STATE OF HAWAI'I GOVERNMENTS AND COURTS HAVE NO JURISDICTION IN HAWAI'I, ESPECIALLY REGARDING KANAKA MAOLI?</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: The U.S. and the Kingdom of Hawai'i had a treaty of friendship, commerce, and navigation. Other nations had similar treaties with the Kingdom of Hawai'i. Sovereignty activists claim that the treaties remain in force and establish a de jure continuing existence of the Kingdom. The activists also claim that the U.S. "armed invasion" during the revolution of 1893 was an "act of war." If indeed it was an act of war, then the obvious conclusion is that the U.S. won the war and Hawai'i was conquered, making the treaty moot and automatically abrogating all other treaties of the Kingdom with other nations. The fact that the queen surrendered to the United States until such time as the U.S. would undo the overthrow, and the U.S. has never undone it, would seem to indicate that indeed the Kingdom was conquered by the U.S. So on the interpretation that the 157 U.S. troops committed an act of war, then the obvious success of that war makes Hawai'i a conquered territory and all treaties were thereby abrogated. However, the other way of looking at it is this: the revolution of 1893 was primarily done by the local residents of the Committee of Safety, the Honolulu Rifles, etc. who actually did the work of disarming the royal guards and seizing the public buildings (the 157 U.S. soldiers never entered government buildings or took away guns from anyone, they simply stood in the street while local revolutionary forces did all the work). The revolution would have succeeded even if the 157 U.S. soldiers had never come ashore. Therefore, the status of the treaties of the Kingdom of Hawai'i are the same as the status of treaties of any nation which has a change of government by means of revolution. The usual theory is that a treaty is between nations, not between particular leaders. So treaties remain in effect even when governments change. When a revolution occurs, other nations have the option whether to give diplomatic recognition to the new government. When a newly successful revolutionary government seeks diplomatic recognition, that implies that it acknowledges and agrees to uphold inherited treaties; and when other nations grant diplomatic recognition, that implies that those nations also acknowledge and agree to uphold existing treaties through relations with the new government. (For example, the U.S. never recognized the Castro revolution in Cuba because Cuba expropriated the property of the U.S. government and citizens without just compensation). So, on the interpretation that the overthrow of the monarchy was a revolution, then Kingdom of Hawai'i treaties with the U.S. and other nations that recognized the Provisional Government would have continued in force, but through the newly recognized sovereignty of that Provisional Government. Later, the same treaties continued in force under the sovereignty of the Republic of Hawai'i. Finally, those treaties continued in force under the U.S. government as a result of annexation and statehood, subject to whatever subsequent treaties the U.S. may have entered into with foreign powers. And indeed, the U.S. continues to have very friendly relations of commerce and navigation with the state of Hawai'i! Other nations continue to have such relations with Hawai'i but of course all such relations are conducted through the sovereignty of the United States. The Republic of Hawai'i in its June 16 1897 offer of a treaty of annexation, and the United States in its July 7, 1898 Joint Resolution of Annexation, used exactly the same language regarding the prior treaties of Hawai'i with other nations, as follows: "The existing treaties of the Hawaiian Islands with foreign nations shall forthwith cease and determine, being replaced by such treaties as may exist, or as may hereafter be concluded, between the United States and such foreign nations...Until legislation shall be enacted extending the United States customs laws and regulations to the Hawaiian islands the existing customs relations of the Hawaiian Islands with the United States and other countries shall remain unchanged." (quoted in the decision of Lili'uokalani v. United States, 45 Ct Cl. 418, 1910, pp. 436-439)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: The U.S. and the Kingdom of Hawai'i had a treaty of friendship, commerce, and navigation. Other nations had similar treaties with the Kingdom of Hawai'i. Sovereignty activists claim that the treaties remain in force and establish a de jure continuing existence of the Kingdom. The activists also claim that the U.S. "armed invasion" during the revolution of 1893 was an "act of war." If indeed it was an act of war, then the obvious conclusion is that the U.S. won the war and Hawai'i was conquered, making the treaty moot and automatically abrogating all other treaties of the Kingdom with other nations. The fact that the queen surrendered to the United States until such time as the U.S. would undo the overthrow, and the U.S. has never undone it, would seem to indicate that indeed the Kingdom was conquered by the U.S. So on the interpretation that the 157 U.S. troops committed an act of war, then the obvious success of that war makes Hawai'i a conquered territory and all treaties were thereby abrogated. However, the other way of looking at it is this: the revolution of 1893 was primarily done by the local residents of the Committee of Safety, the Honolulu Rifles, etc. who actually did the work of disarming the royal guards and seizing the public buildings (the 157 U.S. soldiers never entered government buildings or took away guns from anyone, they simply stood in the street while local revolutionary forces did all the work). The revolution would have succeeded even if the 157 U.S. soldiers had never come ashore. Therefore, the status of the treaties of the Kingdom of Hawai'i are the same as the status of treaties of any nation which has a change of government by means of revolution. The usual theory is that a treaty is between nations, not between particular leaders. So treaties remain in effect even when governments change. When a revolution occurs, other nations have the option whether to give diplomatic recognition to the new government. When a newly successful revolutionary government seeks diplomatic recognition, that implies that it acknowledges and agrees to uphold inherited treaties; and when other nations grant diplomatic recognition, that implies that those nations also acknowledge and agree to uphold existing treaties through relations with the new government. (For example, the U.S. never recognized the Castro revolution in Cuba because Cuba expropriated the property of the U.S. government and citizens without just compensation). So, on the interpretation that the overthrow of the monarchy was a revolution, then Kingdom of Hawai'i treaties with the U.S. and other nations that recognized the Provisional Government would have continued in force, but through the newly recognized sovereignty of that Provisional Government. Later, the same treaties continued in force under the sovereignty of the Republic of Hawai'i. Finally, those treaties continued in force under the U.S. government as a result of annexation and statehood, subject to whatever subsequent treaties the U.S. may have entered into with foreign powers. And indeed, the U.S. continues to have very friendly relations of commerce and navigation with the state of Hawai'i! Other nations continue to have such relations with Hawai'i but of course all such relations are conducted through the sovereignty of the United States. The Republic of Hawai'i in its June 16 1897 offer of a treaty of annexation, and the United States in its July 7, 1898 Joint Resolution of Annexation, used exactly the same language regarding the prior treaties of Hawai'i with other nations, as follows: "The existing treaties of the Hawaiian Islands with foreign nations shall forthwith cease and determine, being replaced by such treaties as may exist, or as may hereafter be concluded, between the United States and such foreign nations...Until legislation shall be enacted extending the United States customs laws and regulations to the Hawaiian islands the existing customs relations of the Hawaiian Islands with the United States and other countries shall remain unchanged." (quoted in the decision of Lili'uokalani v. United States, 45 Ct Cl. 418, 1910, pp. 436-439)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">CAN THE APOLOGY BILL BE USED TO PROVE THAT THE </del>U.S. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">AND STATE OF HAWAI</del>'<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I GOVERNMENTS AND COURTS HAVE NO JURISDICTION IN HAWAI</del>'<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">ESPECIALLY REGARDING KANAKA MAOLI</del>?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Can the 1993 Apology Bill be used to prove that the </ins>U.S. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and State of Hawai</ins>'<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">i governments and courts have no jurisdiction in Hawai</ins>'<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">i</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">especially regarding kanaka maoli</ins>?==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: No court has ever given such a ruling. Indeed, many kanaka maoli have been found guilty of various offenses even after specifically raising this issue. In some cases, for example, kanaka maoli have tried to assert this defense when accused of speeding, or failing to have proper license plates on their cars, or proper driver's licenses. Kanaka maoli have occasionally asserted this claim in civil litigation, especially in cases involving squatter eviction or land title. The apology bill was passed by Congress as a favor to the Hawai'i Congressional delegation to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the overthrow of the monarchy. It was passed without public hearings or any substantial floor debate, just as Congress passes hundreds of such bills routinely to commemorate various historical events or to recognize "national nutmeg day." On November 21, 1998, Hawai'i Senator Daniel K. Akaka (himself kanaka maoli) gave a public speech before the Kukahi Coalition at the Center for Hawaiian Studies, University of Hawai'i, Manoa (Honolulu). Here is one full paragraph from his speech: "The Apology Resolution was never intended to be used as the basis for disobeying local, state, and federal laws. I do not support any individual or organization that uses the Apology Resolution for personal benefit or gain. The 1893 overthrow affected Native Hawaiians as a class of people. As such, the remedy for this injustice must be determined collectively. Anyone who willfully violates laws based on the Apology Resolution will be personally accountable for his or her actions." This statement is important because Senator Akaka was the author and Senate sponsor of the Apology Resolution. When courts interpret the meaning and application of federal laws, they often consider historical information that shows the intent of Congress. Even the Supreme Court considers the writings of the founding fathers (as in the Federalist Papers) when interpreting the meaning of particular phrases in the Constitution. So it is clear that Senator Akaka's statement establishes that the Apology Resolution was never intended to support claims by sovereignty activists that the State of Hawai'i lacks jurisdiction to enforce the laws, or that kanaka maoli should be treated any differently from other citizens.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A: No court has ever given such a ruling. Indeed, many kanaka maoli have been found guilty of various offenses even after specifically raising this issue. In some cases, for example, kanaka maoli have tried to assert this defense when accused of speeding, or failing to have proper license plates on their cars, or proper driver's licenses. Kanaka maoli have occasionally asserted this claim in civil litigation, especially in cases involving squatter eviction or land title. The apology bill was passed by Congress as a favor to the Hawai'i Congressional delegation to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the overthrow of the monarchy. It was passed without public hearings or any substantial floor debate, just as Congress passes hundreds of such bills routinely to commemorate various historical events or to recognize "national nutmeg day." On November 21, 1998, Hawai'i Senator Daniel K. Akaka (himself kanaka maoli) gave a public speech before the Kukahi Coalition at the Center for Hawaiian Studies, University of Hawai'i, Manoa (Honolulu). Here is one full paragraph from his speech: "The Apology Resolution was never intended to be used as the basis for disobeying local, state, and federal laws. I do not support any individual or organization that uses the Apology Resolution for personal benefit or gain. The 1893 overthrow affected Native Hawaiians as a class of people. As such, the remedy for this injustice must be determined collectively. Anyone who willfully violates laws based on the Apology Resolution will be personally accountable for his or her actions." This statement is important because Senator Akaka was the author and Senate sponsor of the Apology Resolution. When courts interpret the meaning and application of federal laws, they often consider historical information that shows the intent of Congress. Even the Supreme Court considers the writings of the founding fathers (as in the Federalist Papers) when interpreting the meaning of particular phrases in the Constitution. So it is clear that Senator Akaka's statement establishes that the Apology Resolution was never intended to support claims by sovereignty activists that the State of Hawai'i lacks jurisdiction to enforce the laws, or that kanaka maoli should be treated any differently from other citizens.</div></td></tr>
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